I asked a question about why God doesn't do more to prevent tragedies.
Anywho a poster suggested that if God were to change actions and intervene, it would infringe upon free will.
He got some thumbs up so I know others agreed with that.
Do Christians agree with that?
Couple questions:
1. If I attempt to rob a bank and get caught, does that mean I don't have free will? Or does free will mean I am allowed to do whatever I want whenever I want?
2. If God cant interfere with people's lives because it will infringe upon free will, why do I keep hearing all these stories about %26quot;miracles%26quot; God has performed to help people get through hard times, or recover from an illness, etc..?
If God prevented tragedies, would that infringe on free will
God gave us free will. We make choices, and we live with the consequences. God only does good. Adam and Eve in the garden...they had a choice. Eat the fruit, or not eat the fruit. God could have stopped them, sure. But he gave them free will.
1. God wasn't intervening with someone robbing a bank. Getting caught is a consequence.
2. God does give us miracles, but he doesn't step in on every occasion to right all wrongs.
If God prevented tragedies, would that infringe on free will
You have free will.
And if there is a god, he clearly doesn't affect human interactions and affairs.
yes
Hold on, i am going to go ask him myself
I can't see someone being murdered or hit by lightning free will.
Your question really should be: what the hell is free will according to the Christians. Apparently, we don't all have the same meaning for that and the way you're using it is interchangable with destiny. Somebody here is awful confused and I have a feeling I know who they are
free will is a choice...not an action....meaning...if u rob a bank, its ur choice, if u get caught, its ur free will....its all chance......
good luck............
No such thing. Looking at God in the way the Bible describe him, He is all knowing and seeing. That means that your entire path is already known to him (she or it). Therefore you can be judged by him even before your grandparents are born. That leaves nothing to be truly decided, rendering free will non-existant. Does that make any sense?
if there were no tragedies, there would be no compassion.... but we're only human so it's hard to wrap our mind around the mysteries of God... i just think some things were not meant to be answered, and that's when you have to rely on faith.... and if you don't have faith, try and allow yourself to find it.....
1. Free will means you have the ability to make your own choices and to attempt to act on them. It doesn't mean you can do whatever you please because that would create a paradox, since it would at times interfere with others choosing to do something in conflict with what you wanted to do. So you can try to rob the bank, but if you get caught then that is others exercising their free will in an attempt to stop you.
2. If someone asks for God to intervene, then they are exercising their free will to obtain help outside of themselves. So God could intervene in those instances without infringing on people's free will, but not if He simply decided to do something without being asked.
Well, God can and does %26quot;infringe on free will%26quot; pretty regularly. Free will means that if you decide to rob a bank, you won't hit some invisible wall when you try to walk in. We're not exactly mindless robots, but at the same time, you have verses like Romans 8:28, which says %26quot;all things work together for good.%26quot; If God had bound himself not to violate %26quot;free will%26quot; then how could he guarantee all things would work together for good?
Free will is only a measure of wisdom.
Let's say jet plane's oxygen tank explodes and the plane goes down killing everyone . Or how about if the plane goes down due to a sudden unexpected wind shear . HOW would stopping those things be interfering with free will ? If we had true free will we could all jump out the plane and fly to safety . Our free will is limited by nature ( or a sadistic God ) .
I'm being the devils advocate and arguing for a xtian here:-
The idea is that if you knew that God existed then you would not have free will to believe. In the same way that, if you knew that you would get caught then you would not commit the crime.
This makes sense to christians because they consider that all of life is a test from the divine creator. It does not, however, make sense from the perspective of an omnipotent and omniscient God that already knows how the test will be completed *before* the test is run.
Yet another illogicaly and fallacious reason that christians believe in God. It is actually self-reinforcing in that if you ever try and leave then you automatically think that you are failing the test - thus you are turned back inwards. Its actually a rather simple psychology trick.
She asks good questions.. keep them coming
freewill means free choice. we always have choices no matter what the circumstances. the choice to rob a bank was that persons choice. the person who decided to stop the robbery made that choice. God will try to warn us about situations through learning what is right and wrong. it is wrong to rob a bank but it is right to try to stop it if it helps someone. the miracles are done in a way that no ones free choice is inhibited. when my dad died i had two choices to make take the easy way and put my mom in a nursing home and then i could concentrate on myself or do the right thing and take care of her myself. a hard choice but i could not do that to my mom a put her in a nursing home. but i still could have if i would have made that choice. we always have a choice and this also means we should take responsibility for our actions and not blame others. everything i have done good or bad, and there has been many, was my choice, aka responsibility.
